LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

Re: LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:39:23 GMT

What's that quote at the end of THE BEYOND: You will face the sea of darkness and all that is within, or something like that.

These are all fallen Catholics, like Pasolini and Bunuel, and myself.

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:12:52 GMT

I don't necessarily have to agree with Pasolini's personal view to appreciate certain films. I'm a hedonistic viewer for the most part and love the surreal mediatation on cannibalism in PIGSTY, and the satirical hypocrisy of THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ST. MATTHEW. Argento's most Pasolinin film is FIVE DAYS OF MILAN.

Argento's view evolved into what I'd constitute as a pagan theology or pantheist extention. Where the problem of evil isn't a regonized...

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:44:43 GMT

TEOREMA is one of my favorite films because of it's ambiguity. It's a reaction to Catholicism. Argento, like Fulci, is interested in spriritual evil, the causes of which are complex.

Re: LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:38:59 GMT

I think the big difference is how they're used. Pasolini, of course, was an atheist, a stance he was conflicted on too, which is reflected in many of his films like TEOREMA. To me Argento is more pointed in his observations to a spirtuality.

Going back to the topic of madness, I believe the main reason he dislikes CAT O' NINE TAILS is because it tried to tie insanity to chromosomes.

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:18:22 GMT

Haven't seen PELTS, heard mixed things about it. Isn't it part of that MASTERS OF HORROR thing?

On another note, Argento has also talked how he was influenced by Pasolini, who also uses painting [Botticelli. Giotto] and literature [Chaucer, Sade, his own novels], history and linguistics in his film

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:41:04 GMT

You raise another good point about the intertextuality in his films. The portrayal of hysteria and insanity linked to an eternal force that can be depicted or expressed in certain art, literature, or objects - forming phenomena. Argento takes up a historian and philosophical view of madness, before the Church looked to ostracized anyone or vision that didn't bend to their reason. The ending to STENDHAL a perfect metaphor.

Bob, have you seen PELTS? It's a nice companion to...

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:12:01 GMT

the ability to prevent cities from being destroyed. Pagans saw the universe as being eternal. Decline therefore, was perceived as purely temporary and thus representative of a low point in an on-going cycle. Birth and death are followed by rebirth; a purifying process determined by Fate and Providence. This idea stems from pagan philosophy and Virgil's Aenaid, for example, speaks of an empire without limits

Excellent use of this Augustinean concept in this context. Yes, Argento...

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:42:38 GMT

I would like to add another parallel, the Fall Of Rome, to try to add some clarity to my previous posts that I didn't have time to expound upon last night. Since Natural Law itself a product of numerous interpretations. Doing some further research, I came across this essay by Troy Southgate which attempts to defend Augustine's stance on the refutation of pagan analysis that Christian...

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:48:56 GMT

Bob, I do think there's a Natural Law of Ethics in the film. The most telling example of this is the murder of the lesbian couple. Sarah illogically, as if beyond her control, escapes the apartment while the women are brutally killed. Which gives a lot of color to the final scene and her fate.

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:27:54 GMT

orthodox notion of 'evil'. The iconography much more mystical, with alchemic symbols that Christian belief would attribute to heretic.

That's a key to Argento's vision, I think, here and in the other two, but especially this one. And the Alchemist here is a visual icon himself with that magnifying glass effect. Argento is post Christian, Jungian and fascinated with Black Magic. And white and black magic are both sides of the same coin it's suggested. In Fulci...

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:27:35 GMT

The representation of Bosch is what I find interesting to this Mater. As the common consensus is that his work is a depictions of sin and moral judgment, and although he certainly uses biblical imagery throughout his paintings, to me it's often times juxtaposed to create complexity when taken out of context. I don't know that they conform to any orthodox notion of 'evil'. The iconography much more mystical, with

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:39:03 GMT

That's a very appropriate selection of esoteric/erotic imagery from various cultures, Egyptian, Hindu, Christian, showing how eroticism was once part of that representation instead of its supposed antithesis. It also is interesting to look at the opening and closing credit scrolls in the film which feature a historical iconographic survey of daemonic imagery.

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:19:24 GMT

Here's a French article covering the artistic inspiration for the film. It seems to delve into the literary too, but I can't read the language that well. Thought it would be of intertest to the discussion.

http://www.cinetudes.com/LA-TERZA-MADRE-de-Dario-Argento-2007_a233.html

Re: LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:24:38 GMT

Bob, I agree with you this film has unlimited rhetorical possibilities. We haven't even gotten into much of the...

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:00:14 GMT

also ties in quite nicely to a theory that Carl Jung advanced from Frued called the collective unconscious, which could be postulated as a foldover that shows its effect in certian phenomena. The experience of love at first site, or deja vu (the feeling that you've been there before), and the immediate recognition of certain symbols and the meaning of certain myth, could all be understood as the sudden conjunction with another dimension

Excellent perceptions you make: Yes,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:50:33 GMT

Good Morning!

It also ties in quite nicely to a theory that Carl Jung advanced from Frued called the collective unconscious, which could be postulated as a foldover that shows its effect in certian phenomena. The experience of love at first site, or deja vu (the feeling that you've been there before), and the immediate recognition of certain symbols and the meaning of certain myth, could all be understood as the sudden conjunction with another dimension (which in itself hints at...

Re: LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:48:37 GMT

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:16:01 GMT

two. All ancient Relgions require a journey from youth to wisdom through Hell or pain.

June 29, 2008 10:34 AM

Scott Mosley said...
Very good Mr. Monell!

To me his work starting with PHENOMENA and wonderfully evoked in this Mater, are a pantheist extention of identity - God is all things - A suitably heterogeneous selection that alludes to Totality, which intern is a Pagan theology or as you so assutely put, esoteria.

Both SUSPIRIA and INFERNO...

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feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:11:08 GMT

He's been Antonioni, Bava, Hitchcock, Fellini, and Fulci.

Yes, he's hit all those marks and goes further here into... a new area. It's almost like a gore comic book or a

Re: LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

feeds@yuku.com (Scott Mosley) — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:44:50 GMT

I've read an a ton of reviews for the film and yours is the only one to mention the film as 'preverse'. It is perversely trashy and crude in places compared to his more sophisticated works. Just a fine example of his mastery of style and his ability to transcend it. He's been Antonioni, Bava, Hitchcock, Fellini, and Fulci. Perhaps the greatest compliment is it seems reductory to simply confine any one work to that.

LA TERZA MADRE (2007): ILLUSTRATED ESSAY

feeds@yuku.com (bobmonel) — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:25:55 GMT

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